Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 <inaudible> welcome to the rogue startups podcast, where two startup founders are sharing lessons learned and pitfalls to avoid in their online businesses. And now here's Dave and Craig.
Speaker 1 00:00:22 All right. Welcome to episode two 25 of road startups. Craig, it's been a long damn time. How are you? It has been a long time. I'm uh, I'm doing good, man. Uh, on vacation here for a couple of weeks. Kinda like a workation. Um, but yeah, it's nice to change scenery a little bit. Very good. I am doing well. Um, we are here dealing with all of the nonsense and the constantly changing landscape of what the fuck it means to send our kids back to school. And, you know, my wife has been subjected me to all of the board of education meetings of our local school district. And, you know, that's, that's always a real joy to just sort of spend an hour with that thing on, in the background and every now and then, you know, it's like, I'm interjecting some random comment about it, but you know, we've already made our decision and it's like, we're keeping the kids home this year, we're doing a hundred percent online, virtual learning.
Speaker 1 00:01:22 There's just, you know, my here's me, here's my bed. I'm going to make up a prediction. I rarely make predictions on the show. Here's a prediction for you. I predict that in Colorado, by October 1st, they are going to shut down the majority of the school districts in the Denver area because of coronavirus outbreaks. Yeah. I think that what they have in place for those that are going back in person like our district, even partially our halfhearted measures at best, and it's all just going to blow up in their face and they are unbelievably naive if they think otherwise. So, you know, until this is under control, it's not going to happen. And I really want my kids to go back. I really want them to be in person learning. I think it is a superior thing for at least two of my three kids. One of them, she would be utterly happy all the time doing online virtual stuff, and she could be wildly successful with that.
Speaker 1 00:02:21 I think the other two need that in-person collaboration. So this is not a knock on that model, but it is a knock on their plans and their lack of planning and their overall naivete about what this is going to mean. And in fact, I hear lots of opposition in these meetings and they just seem to be steamrolling it and ignoring it. And so I'm just constantly face palming. My forehead has a very deep indent these days. I think that's a very fair, uh, prediction that you're making me October 1st. Certainly. I mean, you look at, you know, a lot of States, new highs
Speaker 2 00:03:00 Every day or week now. And to think that you're about to introduce a huge kind of like cross pollination of germs, uh, to kind of the ecosystem and to think that it won't get a lot worse as is I think foolhardy, um, even here, I mean, we're seeing a pretty substantial increase in the number of cases. I mean, it was a couple of weeks ago. It was like 500 cases a day. And now it's like 1500 cases a day. Um, just over the course of like two weeks and
Speaker 1 00:03:33 Yeah. And you guys have it locked down, like you had it under control. Yeah. We had really good control. We're screwed. Like we're not even close.
Speaker 2 00:03:41 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I hate to say that, but that's how, like, I feel like you, you could go out like three weeks ago and feel good. You know, like I went to the grocery, we let them ask even a few times. And like now masks are required in a lot of like cities and villages, particularly like crowded or, or small places. Um, and certainly inside everywhere and yeah, we're, we're going back to school in three weeks and I dunno, I dunno how it's going to go. I, that the shit is like these people that are going to college, you know, universities, people are going and like, they're not allowed to stay in dorms, so they have to find apartments. And I'm like, do you want to send your kid to school and find an apartment when you think in the same way that like, there's a good chance that in October they're just going to send everybody home for the year. Um, I, that, that's a really different decision. It's like, do you, do you take your kid out of college or university because of this? Like, and you want to say like, just because of this year, but it could be next year too. Like, um, nobody knows that
Speaker 1 00:04:46 At this point. Yeah. And the head spa of places like Harvard scene. Yeah. You know, we're still gonna charge you 50,000, no matter what we do. And, and Oh, by the way, it's going to be online. It's like, Whoa, wait a minute here.
Speaker 2 00:04:58 Yeah. I know it was free. Like it's already free. They're part of those moots or whatever, right. Like, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:05:04 Yeah. I mean, it's just insane. I don't know. It doesn't really matter where your family is or, you know, if you have kids or don't have kids, there's just so much craziness about this whole situation. If you have young kids, you know, they really need to be with other young kids. Like this is the best way for them to learn. And now they're in a situation where they're stuck at home, which sucks. And if they're like, you know, middle and high school kids, again, they like to be social with their peers. And a lot of them do better interacting, but they can't, you know, they're capable of doing things online. They just don't want to. And now all of a sudden they just get ungodly amounts of screen time. And then the same thing with college, you're paying for that experience on top of it. And you're like, wait a minute, it's online. This doesn't make any sense. And you know, you're an adult, you know, just on and on and on it doesn't really matter. Like there's something that's screwing all at, at every corner. This is a, this is a difficult thing to navigate for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:06:01 Yeah. It is. It's just difficult. Yeah. It's difficult. Even now that we're out of confinement and hopefully the worst has passed us, but I think it's moving on to like the phase of this. Won't be over for a very long time and living with this like slight pressure of, of like coronavirus and how it's changing our lives and all this is like, I think in a lot of, like for a lot of people and a lot of ways it's harder than totally being confined to the house for two months is thinking about years of slightly awkward. Um,
Speaker 1 00:06:32 Yeah. I mean, people are not good at longterm thinking. Right. You know, say I'm going to do this painful thing for a short period of time. So that longer term I can have a better something else. That's just not, that's not the way most people are wired to think it's, it's hard. Even if you are wired to think that it's hard to consciously do that. Like, you know, even in your business, right. You're constantly doing short term versus long term trade offs. And it's hard to do the longterm thinking when you've got the short term customers banging on your door, asking for X.
Speaker 2 00:07:06 Yep. Yup. Absolutely
Speaker 1 00:07:08 Not easy, not easy. My, my feelings are all over the place and my thoughts and prayers are out there for all of you that are struggling with this as well. Cause so are we?
Speaker 2 00:07:20 Yep. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, speaking of business, I know it's been a hot minute since we, uh, we kind of give updates. Um, yeah. We'd love to hear kind of how things are going, man.
Speaker 1 00:07:32 Well, we have had a very interesting couple of months with recapture. So in June we started going full bore on our drive to add some new features and we are going to be adding SMS marketing into the app. So there's been, you know, just the general amount of time that it takes to build something that's fairly major and that's gone along pretty well. But while we were in the middle of all of this, we onboarded our largest customer ever. And their total volume has tripled our total volume overall in terms of just the sheer number of orders and carts and customers that they're dealing with. So one customer tripled our business overnight in terms of the infrastructure requirements that we had. And we probably spent like two weeks trying to struggle to a figure this out B, come up with a solution, see, introduce it slowly because you, you know, you're just not going to throw major infrastructure changes out there overnight and have it go well, you will experience pain doing that.
Speaker 1 00:08:44 So we, you know, we spent way too long on this and it was definitely something that caught us off guard. You know, there's always going to be something that catches you off guard every year. Uh, you know, if I were to go back the last four years, I could identify one major thing that caught us off guard every year. And this is definitely the one so far, like Corona virus was not anywhere near as disruptive as this thing was. And I think as of this week, we finally have that fucker under control. Um, it's taken awhile. So yeah, we had to like redo our, um, server images and set up some proxy that we didn't have before and didn't think we needed, but now we do. And you know, there's a lot of things that are better, but this was like two weeks. I had not intended to spend on infrastructure stuff here and just fixing little bugs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 00:09:37 Now the good news is, um, you know, everything's stable now. And I think we're going to be in a much better place come black Friday. Like we're probably going to need less servers, but yet we just had the biggest server bill last month. Cause I had to have like double the amount of servers I normally do in order to have our old infrastructure running in the new infrastructure, tested, set up, blah, blah, blah, add things in. And yeah. So I'm glad to have that nightmare behind us at this point. Yeah. You have like auto scaling and all that kind of stuff set up, right? So like you can decrease the amount of servers you're running. If the load is slow, we do not have, auto-scaling actually, you know, that's kinda one of those funny things. Everybody always talks about auto scaling and I've known about this for a long time, for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 00:10:22 I just don't trust it. I I'm afraid that if I turn this on that, what I'm going to see is like a $3,000 Amazon bill because it auto scaled on stuff because we were under attack for something like there's been a couple of times where we've been like spam bot attacked and it wasn't like us getting attacked personally. It was the stores that are honest, that got attacked. And then there would be like the surge of carts. And it has been very valuable for us to see these events in real time and look and be critically examining what's going on so that we can make tweaks to our architecture to handle that load better without necessarily increasing our servers. So I have been low, you know, our, my developers have been like, Hey, we should turn on auto scan. And I'm like, Hey, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 00:11:15 Um, so I, I see that there's a positive trade off. And like for example, this one here, if I had things to auto-scale, we would probably be having a $3,000 bill last month and this month, uh, easily, because it would have just gone up and, you know, wouldn't necessarily have, uh, said anything until we see the invoice. Cause you gotta be very judicious about your AWS alerts and stuff like that. Uh, anyway, so I haven't trusted it enough. I think we might be getting to a point where I could trust it now because I feel like we've done as much optimization on a single box that we can really do right now. Like we've decentralized a lot of stuff and we've made it so that, you know, each individual box just joins a cluster and it does its work and it doesn't really care about any specific thing.
Speaker 1 00:12:06 There were some things that, that it did use to care about it doesn't now. Um, so we're probably getting close to that, but I, you know, there's been some value in that, with that said, you know, anytime that we have big events that come in, that means that I get support calls and there's been one date that I was out with my wife and I started getting all these pages and we're like in the end of our dinner and I'm like, sweetie, we gotta go home. I'm really sorry. Yeah. My wife was very understanding, but I was so embarrassed. Like, ah, it's like, man, this is not the time to do this was the time to do it. So anyway. Yeah. So we,
Speaker 2 00:12:49 I certainly don't know anything, but like we, we have auto-scaling on. Um, and it lets us do a couple of things. One is obviously like scale when we need to, I wear a really lightweight application in terms of like, um, server load, you know, all of ours is in like bandwidth and file egress. Um, but, but it lets us run really small instances too. So we run two instances all the time under our auto scaling rules. So there's not a single point of failure. Um, and then, you know, the load balancer just distributes traffic to, to those two. And if it needs to, to, you know, three or four instances, if like, if the auto-scaling rules say that they need to, and that's all we do, like we don't have a lot of fanciness. Um, but I do hear what you're saying that like optimizing one thing before you turn on more complication is a good move. And, and I think like, I'm trying to think, I guess, I don't know if we've really done that, but um, yeah. I mean just generally I think things like auto scaling and load balancers are, are smart. If you are in up a good place, you understand kind of like what some of the variables in terms of load can be for, for your system. Uh, so it sounds like you're getting there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:14:05 We have two load balancers in place. Now, a one for like the email links and one for the web traffic that comes in. And that includes like going through the app and stuff like that. So then we have a cluster of worker nodes and we are definitely more server intensive because there's like, you know, template work that we have to do to assemble emails. And then we're, you know, queuing stuff up to send out, we're pulling stuff off that's coming in. So we use a bunch of queuing technologies so that, you know, we can load up 10,000 web hooks from Shopify if they come in in a minute and then we can start to process them at our rate, not at Shopify as rates. So we don't drop data on the floor and stuff like that. Uh, so, you know, we've got 10 servers total in our cluster.
Speaker 1 00:14:49 We've got to the handle, the links for the handle, the web, and for then handle all the email processing. So that's, you know, that handles most of our load at this point. You know, we, in the past, we've scaled things up a little bit around black Friday this year. I'm kind of curious to figure out, I think we might have some stuff on hot standby, but I'm probably not going to add it right away. Cause I want to see how well this new stuff does. Cause now, you know, for a long time, like every fucking night I was getting alerts on, you know, CPU IX exceeded over here and I'm like, ah, damn it. Cause it just meant that they were just totally busy and, and uh, running too high. But now, now that we've done all of this stuff, um, you know, it's, I'm not seeing that anymore. So it's quite possible that we could probably get away with adding maybe one more worker. And you know, it's funny AWS has this optimization thing in their, uh, their dashboard and they basically suggested we're running T2 mediums for those that are interested. But it's suggested that we add or replace our infrastructure with 164 T2 smalls.
Speaker 3 00:15:59 I'm like,
Speaker 1 00:16:01 Where did you come up with that number? And also, Oh my God, that's that cannot be better than eight servers like that, that doesn't even make sense. Yeah. But yeah, they claimed that I could save $167 a month if I switched over to that. And I'm like, I'm going to cause myself sanity issues and make my developers freak out. If I have to manage 164 instances, I'm like, no, that's not going to happen. But yeah, it's been a busy month. Otherwise I was still doing paid acquisition on recapture. And it's interesting. I'm not seeing that be as effective as it was. I had actually doubled down on it for probably a month and a half. And I didn't see my paid try. I saw the trials go up, but I didn't see like the numbers and the paid go up according to the same amount.
Speaker 1 00:16:56 So I've backed that off a little bit as an experiment this month to see if I'm still getting the same kind of growth. Um, we saw some churn from Corona virus, uh, like were stores have shut down. Some of those were big customers too. So, you know, that hurts our session when somebody cancels or how do you know that? I do ask a question. Um, the way that I found these out was they, you know, in almost every case they would not respond. But what I would do is if I don't get a response from somebody after my six email sequence and I do, you know, plenty of follow ups there. So if they're not responding after six, they're probably not going to respond. I actually go and visit their store Earl. And many of those larger, you know, especially the big ones, like the that's one of the first things I'll do is I'll go on, built with and I'll check out, did they move a competitor? Or, you know, is their story even still up because I'm finding that some of these larger ones, their storage is shut down and I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 2 00:17:58 Ooh, ouch. I thought it was the opposite. I mean, I thought that like all e-commerce was up like 50% right now, is that not the case? Depends on your niche.
Speaker 1 00:18:09 Very much. Depends on the niche. Some stores are kicking ass and taking names like if you were selling masks and you're still selling masks, those stores are doing pretty well. There's a lot of stuff like, you know, summer recreation equipment, if you're selling RV supplies, you know, there's lots and lots of categories that are up. I'd have to dig up the chart that, you know, gave me a, an overall boost on these things. But there are lots of things that are down to like furniture is way down. People are not buying furniture. And I had several furniture stores that are on there and I've seen their sales go down a bit. Um, and there are ones I'm trying to think of the one, some supplement businesses are down, not all of them, but some of them. And that was a couple of the ones that I saw shut down where they, I just looked at their sales and it had been slowly drying up over a, you know, a period of two months. And you know, that's not, that's not on me and it's not on them. It's just the economy shifted under them and whatever they were selling was no longer a priority for their customers. So, you know, that's a bummer, uh, you know, we don't like to see that. So yeah. I mean, it's been, been kind of a roller coaster couple of months.
Speaker 2 00:19:20 Interesting. And she, well, I mean, I think, you know, count, count ourselves, lucky that it's not all bad. We certainly have plenty of people. We know that it's just all shit right now.
Speaker 1 00:19:30 Yeah. I mean, I'm very happy that recapture has not tanked and I'm very happy that recapture is still very active and still very viable. You know, I don't know if you saw the other day, like a big commerce just went on an IPO, we have a big commerce integration. We just put that into the pipeline early July. We're still waiting for them to approve our app, but I was like, this is a perfect time for you to go IPO because now everybody's going to start talking about big commerce and then when they get on big commerce, you know, I'm going to be there. So that's awesome.
Speaker 2 00:19:58 That's cool. Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 1 00:20:00 How about, uh, how about you? How are things at podcast motor slash cast dose?
Speaker 2 00:20:06 Good man. Yeah, I mean, I think, um, that's, I guess maybe that's kind of something like the biggest news is we, um, we kind of officially merged the podcast motor business into Casos, uh, last month. Um, so that was cool and kind of a, you know, it's just a lot of stuff to coordinate, but it makes a lot of sense and we serve a lot of the same customers, uh, more and more, you know, we rolled out a couple of months ago, we rolled out Castillo's productions, which is kind of a white label version of the podcast motor service, like right in the Castillo's dashboard. Um, and, and so, yeah, I mean, that's the way that kind of things are moving is to, to fulfill that service and, and have cast us be the, for all of that stuff, you know, here going forward. And so it just makes sense for, for everybody to be in the same boat there.
Speaker 2 00:20:54 Um, so that was, that was cool. I mean, it was, you know, whatever, a lot of work and pretty stressful and stuff, but now I can see, like we're not quite fully integrated in migrated and everything, but I can see, you know, only having one email service provider and only having one personal email address to check in one help scout account and, you know, ultimately one website to go to. Um, so that's cool to see already a little bit and to see kind of like what the future will bring there. Um, so that was, that was a big ordeal that kind of been working on for awhile, but, but, you know, getting to work on it and seeing some progress and kind of seeing the light at the end of the tunnel there is cool. And the response has been really great, like from customers and, you know, peers and mentors and stuff that I've been talking to, everybody says, yup, yup. Makes sense. You know, put all your eggs in one basket. It's a, it's a good basket to be in these days and, and kind of go in that direction. So that's been, that's been a pretty fair amount of my time in the last, you know, month or so. Nice, nice. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:21:58 Is good. Consolidation makes you feel less stressed? You know, if there's one thing that I have realized that I've sort of been feeling probably since the beginning of the whole Corona virus thing is that, uh, you know, there's just a lot of, a lot of balls in the air to keep juggling all the time between three businesses between the consulting recapture and the plugins. And I didn't really realize just how much stress I was under until I finally took a week off in June where, uh, we went, we went and, or I'm sorry, I guess it was this month. It was July. So yeah, I can't even remember which now it's August. Yeah. Well it was July, sorry. Yeah. I mean, I'm not what, what fucking month are we in? I can't even tell you that anymore. I know I took a week off in July and it was kind of like a last minute sort of thing.
Speaker 1 00:22:49 And we were going on a camping trip for a few days, but then I just decided to extend it. And it wasn't until I took a step back from everything for that week that I realized how much stress I had been under. I mean, I literally unplugged for the majority of that week. And that's the first time I've ever been able to do that in forever. Like all support was handled by somebody else. I turned the support over for recapture to my developers in the plugins Bobby's been handling that. So then I just let her know that I'm like, Oh, I'm not going to be here for a week. So, you know, letting anybody know that as a problem. And you know, she's like, okay, all right, you you're coming back. Right. I'm like, yes, I'm coming back. I promise. Uh, but yeah, just getting away and feeling that weight lifted for awhile was huge. So, you know, I hope that this similarly lifts a weight off of you and your team in that same kind of way. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:23:46 I think so. I think so. I mean, it's even silly stuff. Like I want to write a blog post about this thing, you know, should it go on the Casto site or the podcast motor site, you know, it's just like kind of silly stuff like that, that like, we don't have to make that decision anymore. Like one less decision is a good thing these days. So, so
Speaker 1 00:24:01 What was the brand that you consolidated under? It's all under cast us now, right? Yep. Yeah. So you just have a cast those blog. And what did you do with like the seriously simple podcasting site or you just redirecting it over there or do you still keep it up, but then point the blog to the castoffs blog or you deal with that branding separation still? Cause I'm assuming that you didn't just shut down seriously simple podcasting, right?
Speaker 2 00:24:26 No. Right. So serious is of a podcasting has been redirected for ball long time into Casos. Um, and then podcast motor, we will be over the course of the next, you know, couple of months, uh, migrating the content and then ultimately like the homepage and stuff, uh, over to cast dos. So ultimately everything will live there.
Speaker 1 00:24:48 So did you rebrand the plugin in the WordPress repo?
Speaker 2 00:24:52 No. That's something that we'll do at some point. Um, I think that the next step we might do is, I mean, cause the, the plugin has been part of cast for whatever two years or three years or whatever, since gas dose became a company. Um, but I think the thing that we will do is to call it like seriously simple podcasting by cast dose within the repo, um, to start giving some of that brand identity. Uh, and then, yeah, maybe at some point in the future call it, you know, the Castillo's podcasting plugin or something like that.
Speaker 1 00:25:26 Very nice. Yeah. Cause I know that like when you create a plugin, you, the very first time you do that, you get a slug, which is part of your Earl and that thing never changes. Unfortunately like you think you pretty much have to, you know, genuflect to the high Lorde of WordPress to get them to change that. And that doesn't happen very often. So, you know, I know seriously simple podcasting is in that. So I was curious as to what you were doing for the branding, et cetera.
Speaker 2 00:25:53 Yeah. Yeah. I mean that, that's on the list. I think, you know, you know, the by Castillo's thing, we will do, you know, kind of whatever here and then near term future, but, um, yeah, that, I don't think we'll rebrand the entire plugin. Anytime soon we have a decent amount of kind of it, the plugin itself has a decent amount of kind of brand equity. Um, so I think as long as we attach that to cast the cast as named that'll help, um, but the bigger thing for this is just all the podcast, motor content and traffic, and we have a, a pretty good amount of traffic there, um, that, that comes over. So I'm excited about that. Um, and then I think maybe the bigger news is we hired a director of podcast or success. I don't even, I don't even know if we talked about this like job opening, uh, on the show it's been so long.
Speaker 2 00:26:40 Um, but Matt Maderis joined our team as of August 1st. Mr. That's. Yeah. Matt report. Matt's been on the podcast here before and we've been on his, so yeah, mats, you know, longtime podcaster, big in the WordPress world, big in the podcasting world, um, you know, cost doses, obviously like an intersection of those two things. So it was really great for us to be able to snag him, to be honest and, and for him to join the team. And you know, we're just in our fourth day together so far, but I think it's going, it's going really well for, for all of us, I think. And it's really cool to see, you know, somebody of his level of experience and type of experience, uh, on the team. Cause he's definitely kind of coming from a different place than a lot of us. So it's really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:27:23 Yeah. So congratulations to you and to Matt as well. Yeah. I'm excited to see what what's going to happen from that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:27:31 Yeah. That's cool. I'll tell you one of the one interesting thing is it's like, um, you know, he kind of fulfills like a marketing role, kind of a marketing role kind of a support role. Um, but just having another perspective and set of eyes in our marketing meetings, uh, has been really interesting so far, you know, cause it's been Denise and I so far and we basically have two perspectives on things and to have a third one is like, you know, it's like two times the amount of perspective for three people to be able to bat a topic around than just two people. Um, I'm sure there's, I'm sure Sherry Wallinger or somebody much smarter than me and you know, interpersonal relationships can, can give me a reason for that. But I think whenever you get more than two people on a topic, uh, the amount of insight you can get is, is much more than, you know, 50% more, um, like we're seeing. So it's really cool to see.
Speaker 1 00:28:22 So you're in a corporate meeting in which case once you reach about five, then the collective IQ of the room drops approaches.
Speaker 2 00:28:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope we're never there, but
Speaker 1 00:28:31 Yeah. That's what I get to see with my freelance client, unfortunately, so yeah,
Speaker 4 00:28:36 Yeah. Yup. Yup. Uh, so yeah, and it's,
Speaker 2 00:28:42 It's a trip, man. I mean, uh, Denise came on board with us almost almost a year ago, so it was August 15th of last year and Matt joined an August 1st. So we're um, we're, we're, we're hiring people while I'm on vacation, which is, which is kind of a trip where we're on vacation for a couple of weeks, uh, here in Brittany and it's, you know, trying to fit in chats with Matt to get him up to speed on stuff in between all the other vacation stuff. I mean, it's more like a workation night. I'm not, unfortunately not taking, you know, weeks off entirely I'm working, uh, a decent amount, but, but it's kind of fun to be bringing someone on board while you're not working your regular schedule.
Speaker 1 00:29:20 Yeah. I mean, I kind of wish we were able to do that kind of a vacation right now where I could just sort of pick up and we could all go somewhere and I could work, you know, some set number of hours during the day while the kids and Tracy were doing something. And then we could hook up later in the day and have an enjoyable evening slash late afternoons doing something or vice do something early in the morning work later in the afternoon. Yeah. Haven't, haven't done that in a while and certainly not going to be doing that anytime soon with the Corona around. Yeah. The Rohner, you know, it's, it's interesting. Like we, we, we get a decent groove with this. Like, um, I get up early in the morning. I work from like seven to whenever the kids are up and I've had breakfast, you know, nine or 10.
Speaker 1 00:30:04 Um, so that's a pretty decent amount of work. Cause it's all me, you know, there's no distractions. And then in the afternoon, like this, the kids are, you know, we're talking at five o'clock right now. The kids are fried from being on the beach all day or whatever. And so they want to have downtime and typically do from, you know, four to dinner time or whatever. And so I work then, um, in a lot of ways it's easier. It's easier than like I have to work eight to four when the kids are at school, you know, I can kind of work when they don't want me around. Anyhow. It's kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah. And that amount of time is becoming more and more all the time. My, my daughter turns 10 in November, so she's uh, yeah, she's getting old. It's crazy. God time flies, man.
Speaker 1 00:30:48 Yeah. Yeah. I am flies. How are, uh, how are things with the plugins? Well, the plugins, I have some big news, but I can't, I can't talk about it yet. Oh, that is big news. That is yes. Uh, I am hoping that I can talk about what's going on here in the next two to three weeks, but yes, something's happening. It's big. And when it's all said and done, there will be a lot to talk about Dave's IPO and I feel in the plugins. Yep. I'm right there with big commerce, you know, I'm, I'm filing the S one right now. No, I I'm not doing that. I'm sadly not doing that. So too funny. Yes. Well, good luck. I hear, uh, I'm excited to hear more about it and I'm sure everyone else has too. I hope so. I hope so. Uh it's uh, it's going to be good. That's all I can say. It's going to be good. Good, good, good. Yes. All right, man. Well, I think that wraps up for this week. I think so. And if you out there in the audience found our little banter useful than our one ask as always is to please share us with somebody that you think would benefit from all of this. And if you have a minute, we would love it. If you could give us a review in iTunes until next week.
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